{ "id": "epq4xngztk", "slug": "the-philip-defranco-show", "title": "The Philip DeFranco Show", "updated": "2026-11-01", "topic_path": [ { "id": "culture", "label": "Arts and culture", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/topics/culture" }, { "id": "culture.performance", "label": "Screen and stage", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/topics/culture.performance" }, { "id": "culture.performance.screen", "label": "Film and television", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/topics/culture.performance.screen" }, { "id": "culture.performance.screen.series", "label": "Series and fictional screen worlds", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/topics/culture.performance.screen.series" }, { "id": "culture.performance.screen.series.series_unscripted", "label": "Unscripted, reality, and web-native series", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/topics/culture.performance.screen.series.series_unscripted" }, { "id": "culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native", "label": "Web-native and streaming-original series", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/topics/culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native" }, { "id": "culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native.early_english_webseries", "label": "Early English-language web series (1997–mid 2010s)", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/topics/culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native.early_english_webseries" } ], "geo": [ { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native.early_english_webseries", "label": "United States · 2001 to 2020: Early English-language web series (1997–mid 2010s)", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native.early_english_webseries", "path": [ { "id": "geo.us", "label": "United States", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001", "label": "United States · 2001 to 2020", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture", "label": "Arts and culture", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture.performance", "label": "Screen and stage", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture.performance" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen", "label": "Film and television", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series", "label": "Series and fictional screen worlds", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_unscripted", "label": "Unscripted, reality, and web-native series", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_unscripted" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native", "label": "Web-native and streaming-original series", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native" }, { "id": "geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native.early_english_webseries", "label": "Early English-language web series (1997–mid 2010s)", "api_url": "https://www.edgepedia.org/api/v1/geo/geo.us.t2001.culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native.early_english_webseries" } ] } ], "excerpt": "The Philip DeFranco Show (PDS) is Philip DeFranco's daily YouTube news and pop-culture commentary program, running since 2006 with about 6.7 million subscribers, a Center AllSides rating, and a daily podcast edition.", "snippet": "The Philip DeFranco Show (PDS) is Philip DeFranco's daily YouTube news and pop-culture commentary program, running since 2006 with about 6.7 million subscribers, a Center AllSides rating, and a daily podcast edition.", "node": "culture.performance.screen.series.series_web_native.early_english_webseries", "markdown": "# The Philip DeFranco Show\n\n**The Philip DeFranco Show** (PDS) is a daily news and pop-culture commentary program hosted by [Philip DeFranco](https://www.edgepedia.org/philip-defranco), launched on YouTube in 2006 and among the longer-running independent news programs on the platform[1](https://www.mortyawards.org/makeys/philip-defranco). Each episode presents a fast-paced rundown of current events in politics, internet culture, and celebrity news, with the host separating factual summary from personal commentary[1](https://www.mortyawards.org/makeys/philip-defranco). The show is distributed as a YouTube video, a daily podcast, and a Substack newsletter, and it is produced by a named staff of writers, editors, and producers[2](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-philip-defranco-show/id1278424954).\n\n| Key fact | Detail |\n|---|---|\n| First episode | 2006, on YouTube; the channel was created on 16 September 2006[1](https://www.mortyawards.org/makeys/philip-defranco) • [3](https://open.subsub.io/channels/philipdefranco/view) |\n| Channel scale | About 6.7 million subscribers and 2.7 billion total views across roughly 2,700 videos[3](https://open.subsub.io/channels/philipdefranco/view) |\n| Schedule | New episodes Monday through Thursday; the podcast feed lists 1.7K episodes active 2017 to 2026[2](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-philip-defranco-show/id1278424954) |\n| Bias rating | AllSides Media Bias Rating of Center, from an April 2025 small group editorial review with low confidence[4](https://www.allsides.com/news-source/philip-defranco-media-bias) |\n| Audience standing | The most-named news influencer (3%) in a Pew survey published in February 2025[5](https://thebostonreport.com/news-sources-guide/) |\n| Podcast rating | 4.7 out of 5 from 1,077 ratings on Apple Podcasts[2](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-philip-defranco-show/id1278424954) |\n| Spin-off | SourceFed, a pop-culture news channel launched in 2012 with DeFranco as executive producer[6](https://philipdefranco.squarespace.com/about/) |\n\n## Spoilers\n\nThe joke of a spoilers section for a news show is that the news has no spoilers. Everything below is what the series has actually been, episode after episode, for nearly two decades.\n\n### Plot\n\n#### The early years (2006 to 2008)\n\nThe story starts in a biology program in North Carolina. Philip Franchina was a college student in 2006 when he posted a video response to a stranger's family video on YouTube and watched tens of thousands of people watch him back[23](https://www.baltimoresun.com/2007/09/23/for-1-college-video-blogger-its-a-really-strange-trip/). He kept posting. Under the name Philip DeFranco, he built a show out of celebrity gossip delivered with sardonic wit: early episodes carried titles like \"Nicole Richie Preggers with Devil Spawn?!\" and \"Britney Spears Wants You To…\"[24](https://en.kinorium.com/2526669/). The first recognizable era of the show was tabloid news read by a guy who seemed like he was telling you about it from his couch, except he edited himself at a pace television anchors never attempted.\n\nBy September 2007 he had been watched more than 11 million times, taken a leave from college, and was negotiating sponsorship deals for his phillyd.tv site while wondering whether his future lay with test tubes or video tubes[23](https://www.baltimoresun.com/2007/09/23/for-1-college-video-blogger-its-a-really-strange-trip/). TechCrunch crowned him the likely heir to [Ze Frank](https://www.edgepedia.org/ze-frank)'s daily-video throne that October, praising his quick delivery while warning that the language was rawer than Ze Frank's and \"will offend some people\"[25](https://techcrunch.com/2007/10/06/is-philip-defranco-the-heir-to-the-zefrank-crown/). The rawness stayed. It became part of the brand.\n\n**The scene people remember from this era is not any single story but the rhythm itself: DeFranco taking a story everyone had already seen in a headline and telling you the part the headline left out, then ending on an earnest question to the audience.** The signature move was the pivot from smirking gossip to sincere opinion, usually signaled by DeFranco dropping the jokes mid-sentence and saying, in effect, here is what I actually think. Viewers came for the jokes and stayed for the moment the jokes stopped. Television news could not do that, because television news was not allowed to have an actual opinion. DeFranco made the having of one the point.\n\n#### The middle years (2009 to 2015)\n\nAs YouTube grew up, so did the show's subject matter. Celebrity gossip remained a staple, but DeFranco increasingly covered internet drama, legal cases, and stories the mainstream outlets handled slowly or not at all. The show became a place where a viral video, a court verdict, and a YouTuber scandal could sit in the same ten minutes, ranked by what DeFranco judged actually mattered rather than by what a producer assigned. The Monday-through-Thursday schedule hardened into ritual[26](https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/78595-the-philip-defranco-show), and the audience grew into the millions.\n\nIn 2012 the show spawned [SourceFed](https://www.edgepedia.org/sourcefed), a pop-culture news channel with DeFranco as executive producer and a rotating cast of hosts[27](http://philipdefranco.squarespace.com/about). The one-man-in-front-of-a-webcam experiment had become a small media company. The flagship show kept running through all of it, because the flagship show was the thing that worked.\n\n#### The later years (2016 to 2025)\n\nThe show's third act is its longest and least changed in format: DeFranco, now a husband and father on camera as much as a commentator, covering the news of the day with a growing team behind him. Database entries track the series as a continuing production with new episodes airing as recently as March 2025[28](https://www.thetvdb.com/series/the-philip-defranco-show), and an audio version has accumulated more than 1,600 daily episodes averaging about 21 minutes since September 2018[29](https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-philip-defranco-show-philip-defranco-ucf_SJi32Ur/). The stories got heavier over the years, from internet feuds to national politics. The structure never did: what happened, why it matters, what DeFranco thinks, what do you think.\n\nThere is no ending, because there is no arc. The show is a treadmill, and the person running on it in 2025 is the same person who got on in 2006 to make fun of [Britney Spears](https://www.edgepedia.org/britney-spears) coverage[24](https://en.kinorium.com/2526669/).\n\n### Characters\n\nThere is one character, and he is played by himself.\n\nPhilip DeFranco (Philip Franchina) is the host, writer, editor, and through-line of the entire series. He began as a 21-year-old biology student with a webcam and an unusually fast mouth[23](https://www.baltimoresun.com/2007/09/23/for-1-college-video-blogger-its-a-really-strange-trip/), and the show's whole appeal is that he never became an anchor. He swears, admits when he does not know something, tells you when he is biased, and treats the audience as collaborators in forming an opinion rather than as an audience. Around him, over the years, came a supporting cast of co-hosts and producers on his channel, but the show has always been the Philip show in the end.\n\n### Interpretations and controversies\n\nThe show's main running controversy is the one [TechCrunch](https://www.edgepedia.org/techcrunch) flagged in 2007: DeFranco is opinionated and blunt, and over nearly two decades that has meant occasional backlash over individual stories, takes, and the way the show covers ongoing events. The counterargument, made by the audience daily in the comments, is that the show's stated deal is honesty about where its host stands. A long-running fan debate concerns the Monday-through-Thursday schedule itself, which viewers have periodically begged to be extended to Friday; the request has never been granted[26](https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/78595-the-philip-defranco-show).\n\n### Sequels, spin-offs, and adaptations\n\nThe show's most notable spin-off is SourceFed, a pop-culture news channel launched in 2012 with DeFranco as executive producer[27](http://philipdefranco.squarespace.com/about). The show itself has been adapted into a daily audio podcast, with over 1,600 episodes since September 2018[29](https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-philip-defranco-show-philip-defranco-ucf_SJi32Ur/). DeFranco's channel also grew a family of secondary programs and a news outlet, Rogue Rocket, in later years.\n\n## Format\n\nAn episode moves through a numbered list of stories, each introduced with an on-screen timestamp in the episode description[2](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-philip-defranco-show/id1278424954). The show's own site describes it as \"Your daily 30 minutes dive into the news\"[7](https://phillyd.tv/). DeFranco structures the program to separate factual summary from personal commentary with explicit verbal and on-screen distinctions, and he presents his political commentary as personal opinion rather than neutral journalism[1](https://www.mortyawards.org/makeys/philip-defranco). In his own description of the program, it \"aims to inform, entertain, and drive conversation in as unbiased a way as possible\"[8](https://amatranscripts.com/ama/philip_defranco_2017-01-02.html).\n\nThe production is staffed rather than solo. Recent episode credits list a producer (Cory Ray), five editors, an art department, and a writing and research team of seven in addition to DeFranco[2](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-philip-defranco-show/id1278424954). A 2012 Los Angeles Times behind-the-scenes piece described the deliberately informal presentation: DeFranco records in a simple studio in Woodland Hills wearing T-shirts instead of a suit, with the anchor desk replaced by a red futon decorated with stuffed characters; the report noted that the show rivaled [Jon Stewart](https://www.edgepedia.org/jon-stewart)'s *The Daily Show* in audience size at the time[9](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-fi-philip-defranco-show-youtube-pictures-photogallery.html).\n\n## History\n\nDeFranco began uploading in 2006, and by a scholarly account of his channel the format that became the current show emerged from a series of experiments and chance events, with his content stabilizing into the regular show only in late 2007[1](https://www.mortyawards.org/makeys/philip-defranco) • [10](https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/bitstreams/0471f3e8-1534-4e87-bf61-f96c1fefda7a/download). A [Pew Research Center](https://www.edgepedia.org/pew-research-center)/Project for Excellence in [Journalism](https://www.edgepedia.org/journalism) report on YouTube and news found that for the first half of 2011, nine of his videos were among the most watched news clips on the platform; in June 2011 he switched his videos' category tag from \"news & politics\" to \"entertainment,\" which removed them from the news rankings even though the content did not change[11](https://www.journalism.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2012/07/YouTube-the-News-A-PEJ-Report-FINAL.pdf).\n\nIn January 2012 DeFranco launched SourceFed, a channel created as part of YouTube's multi-million dollar original-content initiative, with DeFranco serving as executive producer[11](https://www.journalism.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2012/07/YouTube-the-News-A-PEJ-Report-FINAL.pdf) • [6](https://philipdefranco.squarespace.com/about/). In May 2013 he sold his company to Discovery, which made his channels part of Discovery Digital Networks; that October he launched ForHumanPeoples, a channel blending entertainment with merchandise sales, his first new channel since the sale[12](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-fi-ct-discovery-defranco-20130530-story.html) • [13](https://www.thewrap.com/exclusive-phil-defranco-launch-first-new-channel-discovery/). The [Shorty Awards](https://www.edgepedia.org/shorty-awards) later named him Creator of the Decade, writing that for the preceding ten years The Philip DeFranco Show \"has set the standard for YouTube news\"[14](https://shortyawards.com/10th/phillyd).\n\nThrough many rounds of adjustment to how YouTube handles monetization, ad rules, and its recommendation algorithm, the show has kept publishing for close to twenty years, a run that stands out amid the churn within creator media.[1](https://www.mortyawards.org/makeys/philip-defranco) A 2020 Pew Research Center study of news on YouTube classified the channel among \"personality-driven\" news channels, those built around a recurring host rather than an organization[15](https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2020/09/Many-Americans-Get-News-on-YouTube-Where-News-Organizations-and-Independent-Producers-Thrive-Side-by-Side.pdf).\n\n## Distribution and related programs\n\nBeyond the main YouTube channel, the show is published as a daily podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and summarized in the DeFranco Daily newsletter on Substack, where members can watch episodes ad-free[2](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-philip-defranco-show/id1278424954) • [16](https://www.philipdefranco.com/). DeFranco also hosts two companion programs: *Crashing Out with Philip DeFranco and Alex Pearlman*, and *In Good Faith with Philip DeFranco*, a weekly interview podcast[17](https://linktr.ee/phillydefranco). *In Good Faith* reached the top ten of Apple Podcasts' US Top New Shows chart in July 2025[18](https://apnews.com/article/46f7b5e6fddd0ac78a5a6eff1a45c50f), and its interviews have drawn press coverage, such as former ABC correspondent Terry Moran's August 2025 comments about corporate pressure on network news[19](https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-abc-reporter-claims-disney-is-caving-to-trump/).\n\n## Reception and bias assessments\n\nRaters place the show near the middle of the political spectrum, with qualifications. AllSides rates Philip DeFranco as Center based on an April 2025 review by three reviewers from the left, center, and right, finding his political reporting \"generally fact-based with minimal subjective commentary\" while noting occasional skepticism toward President Donald Trump in specific phrasings; AllSides states low or initial confidence in the rating[4](https://www.allsides.com/news-source/philip-defranco-media-bias). The Boston Report's news sources guide classifies the show as Center/non-partisan and notes that DeFranco was the most-named news influencer, at 3%, in a Pew survey published in February 2025, cited by the Reuters Institute as a U.S. news creator[5](https://thebostonreport.com/news-sources-guide/). Ad Fontes Media includes Philip DeFranco among the news influencers its team has analyzed for bias and reliability[20](https://adfontesmedia.com/news-influencers/).\n\nViewer criticism has at times focused on presentation rather than ideology: a podcast review notes the jump cuts used to move quickly between topics[21](https://www.quillpodcasting.com/podcast-review/the-philip-defranco-show). The show's scale has also made it a reference point in academic work on YouTube news: a study of demonetization compared its roughly 6.4 million subscribers at the time against mainstream outlets such as CNN (7.81 million) and [Fox News](https://www.edgepedia.org/fox-news) (3.73 million)[22](https://thesis.dial.uclouvain.be/server/api/core/bitstreams/b02b627d-2972-4771-b57d-84e24e69b823/content).\n\n## References\n\n1. [Philip DeFranco – YouTube News Pioneer, Morty Awards](https://www.mortyawards.org/makeys/philip-defranco)\n2. [The Philip DeFranco Show, Apple Podcasts](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-philip-defranco-show/id1278424954)\n3. [Philip DeFranco – YouTube Channel Analytics, SubSub](https://open.subsub.io/channels/philipdefranco/view)\n4. [Philip DeFranco Media Bias, AllSides](https://www.allsides.com/news-source/philip-defranco-media-bias)\n5. [News Sources Guide: Fact vs. Opinion Ratings, Boston Report](https://thebostonreport.com/news-sources-guide/)\n6. [About Philip DeFranco](https://philipdefranco.squarespace.com/about/)\n7. [PhillyD TV – The Philip DeFranco Show](https://phillyd.tv/)\n8. [Philip DeFranco Reddit AMA Transcript, January 2017](https://amatranscripts.com/ama/philip_defranco_2017-01-02.html)\n9. [Behind the scenes at YouTube's \"The Philip DeFranco Show,\" Los Angeles Times](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-fi-philip-defranco-show-youtube-pictures-photogallery.html)\n10. [YouTube is the New Tube: Identity, Power, and Creator-Consumer Relationships, VTechWorks](https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/bitstreams/0471f3e8-1534-4e87-bf61-f96c1fefda7a/download)\n11. [YouTube & News: A PEJ Report, Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism (2012)](https://www.journalism.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2012/07/YouTube-the-News-A-PEJ-Report-FINAL.pdf)\n12. [Philip DeFranco goes from Web host to network exec, Los Angeles Times](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-fi-ct-discovery-defranco-20130530-story.html)\n13. [YouTube Pioneer Phil DeFranco to Launch First New Channel for Discovery, TheWrap](https://www.thewrap.com/exclusive-phil-defranco-launch-first-new-channel-discovery/)\n14. [Philip DeFranco – Creator of the Decade, The Shorty Awards](https://shortyawards.com/10th/phillyd)\n15. [Many Americans Get News on YouTube, Pew Research Center (September 2020)](https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2020/09/Many-Americans-Get-News-on-YouTube-Where-News-Organizations-and-Independent-Producers-Thrive-Side-by-Side.pdf)\n16. [DeFranco Daily, Substack](https://www.philipdefranco.com/)\n17. [Philip DeFranco, Linktree](https://linktr.ee/phillydefranco)\n18. [Apple Podcasts – Top New Shows, AP](https://apnews.com/article/46f7b5e6fddd0ac78a5a6eff1a45c50f)\n19. [Ex-ABC Reporter Claims Disney Is Caving to Trump, The Daily Beast](https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-abc-reporter-claims-disney-is-caving-to-trump/)\n20. [News Influencers Are a Popular Source of Information, Ad Fontes Media](https://adfontesmedia.com/news-influencers/)\n21. [The Philip DeFranco Show: Podcast Review, Quill Podcasting](https://www.quillpodcasting.com/podcast-review/the-philip-defranco-show)\n22. [Demonetization on YouTube, UCLouvain thesis](https://thesis.dial.uclouvain.be/server/api/core/bitstreams/b02b627d-2972-4771-b57d-84e24e69b823/content)\n23. [https://www.baltimoresun.com/2007/09/23/for-1-college-video-blogger-its-a-really-strange-trip/](https://www.baltimoresun.com/2007/09/23/for-1-college-video-blogger-its-a-really-strange-trip/)\n24. [https://en.kinorium.com/2526669/](https://en.kinorium.com/2526669/)\n25. [https://techcrunch.com/2007/10/06/is-philip-defranco-the-heir-to-the-zefrank-crown/](https://techcrunch.com/2007/10/06/is-philip-defranco-the-heir-to-the-zefrank-crown/)\n26. [https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/78595-the-philip-defranco-show](https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/78595-the-philip-defranco-show)\n27. [http://philipdefranco.squarespace.com/about](http://philipdefranco.squarespace.com/about)\n28. [https://www.thetvdb.com/series/the-philip-defranco-show](https://www.thetvdb.com/series/the-philip-defranco-show)\n29. 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